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Podcast 25 – What are the Top Five Things to Improve Your Dogs Health?

Welcome to Pawcast 25! 😀 This time, our hosts Rowan and Mark explore and explain the top five things every dog should have, not only to reach normal health but to achieve optimal health! Join the conversation on Instagram and Twitter @BellaAndDuke and make sure to join our growing Facebook community! – https://www.facebook.com/groups/bella…

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Introduction 2:20 Today’s Topics – What are the top things to improve the health of your dog? 4:23 The Top Five Areas to Look at. 6:55 Colour Coded Diet 9:35 Rest! 14:00 Blue Light/Red Light 19:50 The Key With Exercise 21:48 Stress Reduction 22:54 Environmental Stresses 25:52 Rowans Electricity Cut Out 😊 26:05 We’re back! 27:21 Rowans Recap! 30:30 Supplements 32:13 Top 3 Things Every Dog Should Have! 38:00 What are those 3 things again? 39:19 Rowans Final Recap! 40:00 Goodbye for now!

Mark:             We are now recording. We’re now recording. What pod number we up to now?

Rowan:          Oh Mark. Hello. Good afternoon sir. I see you’re still in kibble clink?

Mark:             I am and I’m hiding my mouth and my mic. Not because I’m under cover because they’re all noisy buggers around here, all very enthusiastic.

Rowan:          You say that, but I’ve seen you in the Bourne Identity. That’s exactly what do I do, I let people know that they’re currently wired. Right, what podcast number are? I think we’re about number 25 aren’t we?

Mark:             Sounds about right to me. I’ll go with that. Ping pong.

Rowan:          OK. Let me switch my phone onto airplane. So Mark, thanks for joining us. It’s really nice to see you. I’m very excited. Are you still at the Mindvalley University up in Tallinn?

Mark:             I am and if you’re listening to this, you won’t see this. But I’ve got my Mindvalley t-shirt on today, I’m putting it out there, there you go.

Rowan:          Fabulous. Is that a lion or a moray eel you’ve got on the…

Mark:             It’s like brain with a valley in the middle. See what they’ve done there?

Rowan:          Ah, I get it, it’s the hemisphere of the brain.

Mark:             Yeah something like that. Something like that.

Rowan:          So what we’re going to talk about today, Mark?

Mark:             I was listening to a very famous podcaster, I’ve been fortunately hanging out with a little bit as well this week, he’s a guy called… What is his name? Ben Greenfield, that’s right. Only joking. Ben Greenfield, who’s the top health and biohacker. He’s got the largest following on iTunes. I think he’s got 35 million downloads right now.

Rowan:          Wow.

Mark:             One of the questions that he was asked was what would be the top hacks to human health. And I thought, you know Rowan knows all these answers anyway, all this stuff that’s his forte. So I thought, well, if we were going to talk about doggies, what would be our top things to help improve the health of your dog.

Rowan:          Wowza, this is golden. This is absolutely golden and it’s really, really exciting.

Mark:             So just to throw in there, just before we start, I’m going to throw some things at you that you may not have the answer to.

Rowan:          Again.

Mark:             And if that’s the case, we won’t blag it, we’ll just say — “dunno know mate, dunno.”

Rowan:          If we don’t know, we don’t know. We got find out.

Mark:             So what would be your top five things for doggies. I’ll let you run with it.

Rowan:          OK. Well I would kind of rephrase that slightly, because we don’t actually know what the top five things are. What I would say is to keep it really, really simple for everyone, what are the top five areas that we should be focusing on to actually get the most bang for your book and improving your dog’s health. Why? Because everybody’s dog is going to be slightly different and in a slightly different place in it’s health journey. And this is why I’m sometimes weary of lists, you know like in Men’s Fitness or something like that and they go, oh my goodness, everybody eat kale. And it’s like, well if you’ve got a thyroid issue, that’s the worst thing you could do. Yes, it’s a very nutritional vegetable, but for anybody with like Hashimoto’s that’s just going to push them off a cliff.

Mark:             That’s such a great name that — Hashimoto’s.

Rowan:          I don’t know if it is, if you’ve got it, Mark.

Mark:             Alright, OK. Sounds cool though.

Rowan:          Yeah. Okay. And this is really I guess a template we use constantly with our human patients just to keep it really accessible and we’ve lifted it… We’ve got to give credit to the people over at FDN, Functional Diagnostic Nutrition, because if you titrate or move the bits around in these five areas, pretty much you’ve got everything covered.

Mark:             Cool. So give us those five areas then?

Rowan:          Five areas, really easy to remember and this is applicable for you or your dog regardless of where you are in your health journey — we just move these things up and down — to address, it’s diet, rest, exercise (appropriate levels thereof), stress reduction and stress reduction is a really important one, it’s not just about mental or emotional stress, and supplements.

Mark:             Excellent. So what we’re going to cover here? So for example, stress, we’re not going to talk about your dog who’s got too many email accounts and having to deal with things… Well actually I have to say I do see dogs with Instagram’s, which is quite impressive.

Rowan:          Yes, absolutely. Who would do that?

Mark:             So should we dive straight into the diet then because that is your number one there?

Rowan:          Well, it’s just one of the categories. I would say you can’t outrun a bad diet is what people constantly say and that really kind of infers about weight loss or whichever. I look at it this way. Nearly all the symptoms that we see, be it in humans or dogs, nearly all of the symptoms are responding, it’s like sending the fire brigade out to a fire we’ve created by what we’ve put into our mouth or our dog’s mouth.

Mark:             OK.

Rowan:          So the basic thing and it doesn’t cost you any money, it doesn’t cost you anything, all you’ve got to think of is is this actually helping my dog’s health or is it actually killing my dog and stressing it? It’s a really basic thing and if you apply that to what you put in your mouth, you go — hang on, this is going to become me, this is the basis for my cells and how they talk to each other and what my brain’s going to be made of. Is a highly processed super toxic food, with bad rancid fats, which is going to unravel my DNA going to benefit me, or is it going to lead to chronic illness and disease? That’s the way I look at it.

Mark:             So here’s a question then for you. If you were going to go down that route, but you everyone should. They should at least question it. Is it good to add things in or always take things away?

Rowan:          This is a really, really good thing. I always like to say to people with their diet, let’s sort things out. They go — oh well, it’s really difficult to know what to eat. Well, fabulous, tell you what, take everything beige out your diet and replace it with green. Super simple colour coded thing. Get rid of pasta, bread, biscuits, gluten, grains, and put in loads of broccoli, put in loads of stuff like that. Now for dogs, it’s not quite the same. But what we are saying is get beige or brown or whatever else it is processed food out and put really good quality evolutionary correct rule, raw nutrient full food into their diet. And basically you’ve not done something good or something bad, you’ve stopped damaging your dog’s health and you’ve improved it’s health. So it’s not one step away. It’s diametrically opposite.

This is what a lot of people fail to see. It’s not a binary one, zero, one zero. If you do that every day of your dog’s life compared to an identical dog with the identical genes, they’re going on on a totally different journey, like miles apart.

Mark:             So when you said take away beige, I did read somewhere that if you can have more colours on your plate, the better.

Rowan:          That’s pretty true. And if you look at Terry Wahl’s research into healing her own MS and going from being in a wheelchair to actually competing again in Taekwondo and cycling to work, that’s pretty much what she does. I mean it’s more complicated than that. But staying on topic. If you were to say about diet, cutting things out, putting things in, well it’s really easy, don’t put toxins in — and we were kind of talking about this before — then your body doesn’t need to send out the fire brigade or your dog’s body. Put things in which nourish the dog and also look at specific nutrients and this would link in with supplements, which have been proven to be anti-inflammatory, life-prolonging and actually have loads of benefits. And if you think about it, you’ve gone from doing something which knocks the house down to something which builds the house up, that’s totally different. You do that for a couple of weeks instead of looking at a pile of rubble, you have a dog health manor.

Mark:             Yeah, absolutely. So that then would lead onto, if you were putting the nutrients in, the next thing would then be the rest part of it, making sure you get a good enough rest.

Rowan:          Well, yeah, rest is kind of like a bit of a generic catchall and typically this comes down to sleep and aligning our sleep with circadian rhythm. So with the natural daylight.

Mark:             And the problem with today, of course we have in our caves, out man caves called a house, we have artificial lights.

Rowan:          So this is super important. Super important. People don’t realize how much the different light frequencies affect us during the day. Let me start with a punchy stat and I’ll explain the difference behind it. We’ve tested people for their testosterone levels and then had them for a week basically get up first thing in the morning and look at the sun within an hour of getting up or with the sun rising. Now, what’s really cool is… Let me finish the stat and then I’ll come back to as to why. It’s shown that their testosterone, males and females, it’s gone up by about 20%.

Mark:             So say that again, recap that again.

Rowan:          So just by getting up, within an hour of the sun rising and being outside and looking to the sun without sunglasses…

Mark:             At the sunrise…

Rowan:          — light onto the back of your eye, into the pineal gland in the brain can dramatically influence your hormones and improve the way they’re expressed.

Mark:             Wow, wow, wow.

Rowan:          Conversely, you take somebody and you give them three or four hours less sleep than they should have, the next day their testosterone can be 20% less.

Mark:             So people who do shift working, working through the night, it’s got to be a massive health issue for them.

Rowan:          It is and that’s why they generally have more health issues. Now before we go into that, because we’re focusing on what we can do for dogs, because this is a whole chat itself, you can manage it by avoiding blue light and using certain different colored lamps. But shall explain why that works. You know, we were talking about knocking the house down or building the house up, this is exactly… Imagine I take Mark this week and I get Mark up every day within an hour of the sunrise and I get him to look at the sun. And this week at the end of the week, his testosterone is 20% better. Or I get Mark twin brother Mark and I give him less sleep but make him sleep in, so he misses all of that and he doesn’t get any natural daylight and his testosterone is 20% less. The difference could be 40% difference. That’s nearly half.

Mark:             So the timing is everything. Timing is absolutely everything.

Rowan:          Why? We’ve all evolved to actually work with the sun. That’s the source of every single energy on the planet. And if somebody goes, what about the tides? Well the moon it’s actually gravitate to the sun, or off.

Mark:             So with a dog then would you… I mean, one of the things we’ve done in our house and it especially in the bedroom, is we’ve put red lights in. So at night we’ve got the red light. We haven’t got a white late.

Rowan:          Do you get lots of visitors Mark?

Mark:             Oh yeah. [sings] I’ve turned the red light on at night. Roxanne.

Rowan:          Neither of us could hit a note if it was glued to our wrist.

Mark:             If you were going to do a dog room where they sleep at night, then having red lights at night for them is a good idea as well because they’re going to be affected by white light. Is that the same way?

Rowan:          Yes, I would say you don’t even need to go that far. What if for instance, you just kept your dog away from all the blue light. Now, for those people who aren’t kind of up to speed with this — you’re on a biohacking Mindvalley retreat. What’s all the blue light, red light chat, simple. This is broken down and this is really important for people to get health massive benefits really quickly for you and your dog. When he first get up in the morning and the sun rises, the sun has a really large quantity of blue light spectrum in it. Now that goes into our eyes, it hits the pineal gland, p-i-n-e-a-l, pineal gland, and it goes — OK, in about 12 hours you’re going to go to bed, so it sets something up called the Circadian rhythm. And our melatonin will slowly rise up so it peaks approximately 12 hours and goes, hey, go to sleep now.

Now a lot of people don’t realize this, but melatonin is our primary anticancer hormone. So we want as much of this as possible.

Mark:             Wow, OK.

Rowan:          Now, if you were getting exposed to blue light from your phone screen, your tablet or your PC or your TV constantly, it’s constantly delaying this release of melatonin. So basically some people have tested and their melatonin is like super flat all the time. They’ve got like three when it should be 30.

Mark:             So this is brain thinking, it’s day, it’s day, it’s day, it’s day, it’s day, it’s day, it’s day.

Rowan:          And this is why people say, oh artificial light. It’s exactly that, it’s affecting your hormones. Now if you get exposed to it first thing in the morning, great. But what you need to do is get one of those like f.lux apps, whichever for your PC and for your phones, so during the day you’re not exposed to it.

So how is this applicable to dogs? Well, keep your dog away from the TV and when it’s going to sleep, ultimately when it’s coming down to that, really if you’ve been out for an evening walk and that dog is actually getting exposed to all the red lights at the end of the day…

Mark:             A sunset.

Rowan:          It knows, this helps this trigger and the brain goes — ah, it’s sleep time. And what you do is ensure that your dog is somewhere dark, where it’s not in the living room next to a street light or with loads of lights blinking. Nobody sleeps very well on the plane. Why? Because the guy sitting next to you is always watching a movie, got really drunk, falling asleep, his TV’s on, and even if you’re closing your eyes, it’s like flickering at you. You’re going to get good sleep like that and it’s going to mess with his hormones.

Mark:             And if it’s noisy outside there’s all these things that can affect the dog, because then it’s on alert, it’s on patrol, blah, blah, blah. Maybe even white noise? Is white noise is a good idea?

Rowan:          Yeah, absolutely. White noise really does help the brain switch off. There’s even a series of tapes and stuff like that called “For a dog’s ear,” which is really soothing music. And I’ve noticed when I first got Kismet, instantly I was playing it a lot as puppy, you know when she was a little bit — whoah, actually I’m not with my family anymore, I’m not with my tribe. It really worked because it’s just soothing. It puts them into a state of rest and repair.

Mark:             And what was the name of that again?

Rowan:          I think it’s called “Through a Dog’s Ear.”

Mark:             OK we’ll make sure it’s in the show notes.

Rowan:          Yeah, absolutely. Really cool, very relaxing. For anybody who’s got an anxious dog, putting that on in the background, especially if you’re somewhere noisy and some CDB, done — nice and relaxed.

Mark:             Brilliant. So we’ve got diet, we’ve got rest. Next thing is exercise. So I get up in the morning. So I’m thinking, get up in the morning, I go for a sunrise walk with the dog.

Rowan:          Mark, golden perfecto. That is absolutely great.

Mark:             So you both benefit from that. Now in the past I’ve seen research in humans that HIIT or high intensity training is a good thing for humans. I’m assuming there’s probably very little research or we haven’t really looked into it, whether that’s good. Do you want to just explain what HIIT is?

Rowan:          Yeah. So HIIT is high intensity interval training — HIIT. It’s been shown to do loads of positive things in humans, like for instance, 20 minutes of five intervals of 30 seconds with plenty of space in between is about the same metabolically as running for an hour. But the difference is basically it improves your growth hormone, improves your sleep, improves your hormone expression…

Mark:             And muscle growth as well, isn’t it?

Rowan:          Sorry?

Mark:             And muscle growth.

Rowan:          Yeah. All of those. The only issue being with that and we have to be really careful about how we talk about it is, it’s only for people who aren’t dealing with some kind of other stressor.

Mark:             Yeah, so this is only part of the thing, OK, sorry.

Rowan:          No, no, absolutely. Sorry. No, no, no, absolutely. If we go back to our stressed see-saw and we say — hey, I’m on holiday and I’m really relaxed and I’ve got no health issues and my adrenals are working and da da da and I’m feeling loads of love and I’ve got purpose. You can do a bit of HIIT and get all the benefits. But if you’re saying I’ve not gotten enough sleep, my diet’s rubbish, I’m in major stress at work, ooh and I’m going to have another stressor — that could push people right off a cliff.

So the key with exercise is appropriate. Now, what does appropriate mean? Understand where your dog is in its health journey. If your dog’s just had surgery, it might need to rest and do nothing. If it’s had minor surgery, it might be that walking round improves blood flow and helps the healing process. Is it super old? Getting out and getting some lymphatic drainage? Great,

Mark:             But I imagined the dog, if it was out in the wild, it would be chasing prey, short burst, bang, get the heart rate up and then… But it wouldn’t run for 20 minutes. It wouldn’t constantly chase a ball for like an hour, because it’s just not designed to do that.

Rowan:          Well — and this goes to articles that both I and Caroline are [inaudible] both from [inaudible] perspectives. Me, looking at how it affects their hormones and cortisol levels, and [inaudible] very much about how the behavior and we’re totally in line with this.

Mark:             And we’ll link to those in the show notes as well because I think you can go — we won’t go into depth there, but definitely, don’t over exercise your dog because it can have the opposite effect.

Rowan:          Same thing for humans. Everybody forgets that gym or exercise doesn’t get you fit. What it does is it stimulates a cascade where your body breaks down and improves. It’s the rest component which is where you regenerate and you get the benefit. So if you imagine, if you over exercise, as in too much too long or whichever, instead of it being like planting an orchard and then waiting for the fruit, it’s planting an orchard, bulldozing it down, planting an orchard, and you never get the benefits.

Mark:             Excellent. So, going on to that, the next thing you talked about was stress reduction.

Rowan:          Stress reduction. Everybody goes — oh, meditation. Well, yeah. That’s great. But stress reduction just isn’t about mental or emotional. It’s internal — and this is where it’s key for dogs — is what they’re eating. So we’ve covered that in diet, but also how they’re digesting stuff and whether or not we’ve got parasites and bacteria. Because that is a stress.

So like for instance, you or your dog are going to react very similar to something mental, emotional, or like an internal parasite or bacteria or whichever. It’s still creating a stress response.

Mark:             What about things like aerosols, you know, like the smelly things that you put in the houses.

Rowan:          Oh, Mark. This is brilliant. Totally unprompted. So mental, emotional, internal. The other major one. So we’ve got physical, which we’ve just kind of covered in exercise. Appropriate levels. Not “un-inappropriate” levels. The next one. Final one — environmental.

So for instance, if you think about the craziness of taking a deodorant which has parabens in it, which have been proven to create cancer, and then rubbing it under your arms where your lymph nodes are for them to be absorbed in. I mean, it is bamboozling. It’s like saying, OK, I’m going to get some asbestos and asbestos is really good at soaking up sweat. So I’m going to rub it into my body.

Oh my word.

Mark:             And this could be anything. It could be perfume, after shave. It could be polish. I mean, a minefield.

Rowan:          [inaudible] your body can smell it. By definition.

Mark:             And absorb it.

Rowan:          Yeah. And those fragrances ruin your health. And to be honest, if you’re going to put any aftershave on, never put it on your skin. Just put it on your balls. And this is why we keep talking about — chemicals that are going on the dog’s skin. We need those to be kind of eradicated in virtually all cases except they’re absolutely necessary. Why? Because they lead to intestinal permeability and autoimmune disease.

Mark:             And that could also be shampoo as well. Couldn’t it? So, shampoo on the dog.

Rowan:          Oh, absolutely.

Mark:             Look at all of it.

Rowan:          Kismet is just back from the hairdresser’s today before a big flight to the US this week. And I take our own shampoo to the, basically, it’s the vets and the groomers, they’re in the same building, simply because it’s off Amazon, it’s paraben three, it’s got no nasties in it. There’s loads of them available. It’s not ridiculously expensive. I mean, I went in a couple of weeks ago, when the lady was looking after her, and she’s not an overly groomed dog, she’s quite a beach rasta dog. But she’d got a bit rasta. Her hair had got so wild, we literally she’s running around in the garden and she’s picking up everything. I mean, like, she’s coming back with bits of twigs, bramble, whatever. Stuck in her. So she had to be groomed.

But the other week I went in and she’s just about to spray some hairspray on her. Really? No. No. What if she runs past a candle? We’d have a hot dog. I mean, she’d go up like… No.

Mark:             [laughs]

Rowan:          She looked at me, she was like, what? I was like, no, I don’t want you to spray loads of chemicals on my dog.

Mark:             Thank you very much.

So just be aware of chemicals, and these [inaudible][25:40] stressors. And I guess, go as natural as you possibly can. There’s lots of options out there for yourself and for your dog. And that’s a good place to start.

Are you still there?

[laughs] So you use the excuse of electricity running out, did you?

Rowan:          Well, actually, Mark, I confess. I was getting bored with your persistent positivity. [laughs]

Mark:             That’s fine.

Rowan:          Although I do actually approve of your much improved man-cave today. It looks a lot less depressing.

Mark:             [laughs] You think?

Rowan:          Well it’s got a kind of urban chic going on to it now. [inaudible] you were still watching. Thank you. Still listening. Thank you. Mark has changed location. He is still in the Mindvalley University, expanding his mind, and uniting the valley.

Mark:             And obviously this is a continuation of our podcast yesterday, so we just wanted to tie it all up.

So yesterday, or I should say — if you’re listening to this podcast. Now, two minutes ago, we covered diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction, and the final piece of the puzzle is supplements.

Rowan:          Yeah, well I think now is maybe an opportune moment just to have a very quick recap to make it super easy for everyone. We’re looking at the top five areas you need to focus on to get the biggest bang for your buck, for either yourself. Or for your doggos.

Basically, we use the big five health safari, which is what we use on our clients. And you know, people talk about — oh, we want to go see a rhino, we want to see leopard, etc. [inaudible] health safari — a diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction and supplementation.

So the stress reduction part. Let’s recap on that because we’ve covered a lot of parts and you brought up a really good thing yesterday, Mark. There’s internal stresses such as parasites, bacteria, funguses — or fungi.

If you were going to be my old Latin teacher, may he rest in peace, I forgive you everything. He was so vicious.

Mark:             Oh, by the way, just to let you know, I seem to be beside the loudest hand dryer in the world, so I am muting you, just so I don’t interrupt you.

Rowan:          Are you actually sitting on the loo, Mark? Are you in an industrial open plan loo?

So let’s just have a quick recap. Stressors. What we’re talking about is it’s not simply your dog, as you rightly said, getting too many emails or being a bit stressed out at work. That’s mental or emotional. But obviously that’s very real with dogs. Because of the way we communicate with them and the way they pick up on our vibrations and our energy and those people around us, which is why you should always trust your dog. If somebody comes into the room your dog doesn’t like, maybe you shouldn’t like them either. [laughs]

Mark:             There’s so much truth in that. There is so much truth in that.

Rowan:          The way I look at it as if my dog likes you, I’m prepared to like you. If my dog doesn’t like you, you’re going to have to be really charming to win me over. [laughs]

Right. Next one. So internal stressors — covered. External stressors are they can be divided up into a few things. One is environmental and that’s the products you put on your dog on the skin. The skin is super absorptive. You have to be careful and that is an organ, it’s a semi permeable membrane. It will absorb things and this is why we keep talking really, really well, actually — the groups bang on this — about naturals flea/tick/worm remedies, rather than a big dose of chemicals. Whether you’re eating something that’s inappropriate and that’s creating problems inside or you’re putting it on your skin — same, same. So if you’re going raw and you’re bothered about your dog’s health, be bothered.

Next. So environmental we covered. The other thing we talked about is basically physical stressors, which links back to the exercise — appropriate amounts of. Easier for some than me to say. [laughs]

And I guess that’s it. Internal ones we’ve covered.

Thing is supplements.

Mark:             I don’t know, just keep going on that. In the past we’ve also spoken about red lights and all these little hearts. Again, we’ll put those in the show notes as extra things you can do to help.

Rowan:          You know, if we’re looking at the top five areas and we’ve got a couple of minutes at the end, maybe we should just go through a couple of things we want to explore.

Mark:             OK. So, supplements is your final piece of the puzzle.

Rowan:          Yeah. Supplements. Now people want to always know — what should I be taking, or what should I be giving the dog? The answer is — what does your dog need? Because there’s no dogs the same. Somebody messaged me today about them having basically, toy dog size, a lot shorter digestive tracts, problems digesting even raw, poor dog. Lady is really concerned about it. But of course that’s going to have potentially different digestive challenges to some of the bigger breeds that might be prone to bloating when they were fed on other foods. [inaudible] raw. Everybody’s at a different place in the health journey, and everybody has a different genetic signature.

Mark:             And age.

Rowan:          Exactly. No man steps in the same river twice, Mark. Why? Because it’s never the same river and he’s never the same man.

Mark:             Is that right? [laughs]

Rowan:          Yeah. [inaudible]

Mark:             I’ll just write that bad boy down.

Rowan:          Use it as your own? It’s not mine either.

Mark:             So if you were going to think of a quick wins, we want to reduce inflammation, we want to give the brain the best possible nutrients, we want the… So what would be your top three things that every dog should have regardless.

Rowan:          Right. Well, funny enough, this is pretty much the same for dogs as humans in terms of bang for buck. Every time. Digestive enzymes, easy. If you can properly digest and assimilate your food, you decrease the likelihood of intestinal permeability. You decrease the likelihood of food intolerances, you increase the amount of nutrients you get and you decrease bad bacteria generally.

So given 80 percent of your immune system’s in the gut, that’s where all the easy marks are.

Mark:             So that’s interesting. So the bad bacteria. The digestive enzyme actually helps to get rid of those.

Rowan:          Oh yeah. And that’s what they’re designed to do. It’s not just to breakdown. If you imagine your digestive enzymes come out and they start chopping up all that food and acting on it, well, they’re also killing pathogens. If you think about them being able to emulsify fats and particularly the HCL component, the stomach acid, it’s designed specifically to actually kill pathogens. Now, the next part of the story…

I can see you’re going to say something.

Mark:             Well I was going to say. Well, I have this theory, and I don’t know whether I made this theory up, like I do with some things.

Rowan:          [laughs] Bring it on. Bring it on.

Mark:             So, because obviously, the digestive enzymes. If two people get bitten by a tick and that tick has lyme disease, one of them doesn’t necessarily need to get lyme disease. That person may not contract it because their immune system is up to par. The other person has any of those… Could that be the same with dogs? If the digestive system is…

Rowan:          Totally, totally, totally. A really close friend of mine very recently got leishmaniasis which is really, really unpleasant, leishmaniasis.

She was super sick. Actually nearly died. She was just coming off a bout of chemo, of mild chemo. Super fit. Really, really high end personal trainer. Just had a little bout of chemo.

Got this — oh my goodness, knocked her for six, undoubtedly her partner, and the people in the party were bitten by all the same mosquitoes, didn’t get any of it.

Same story, dogs. You’ve got an elderly frail old dog, who doesn’t have all of these defenses working, well, if we always look at our immune system, it works as like a castle and we have these guards which come out and protect us, these white blood cells, if their tired or we don’t have enough of them, well, they just don’t have the energy o be able to go, well of course things are going to slip through the cracks,

Mark:             So that’s cool and so that’s another reason. And again, what’s difficult with all of these things is going — it has worked, hasn’t worked — and I guess it’s like somebody who smoked a cigarette, they may not show issues with it and may not get lung cancer straight away, but we just know from research now that if you smoke today, the effects might affect you in 10 years’ time, 15 years’ time, and the same with dogs. Although we can’t say it’s directly because the food you’re putting in your mouth, but we can say pretty good research that the better you made the defenses, the less likelihood of you catching these diseases and having an immune system that just stands up.

Rowan:          Yeah. Even if we… That’s a good way of looking at it. I would have perhaps gone a different route on that, and said, if you imagine your immune system’s a team, like the fire brigade or something like that, well, you can keep calling them out, but they’re going to get tired and they’re going to get worn down if they’re just on overtime all the time. So if you give them as much support as possible, you give them digestive enzymes which are helping with pathogens. You improve digestion. Well, it’s win-win. One, you stopping pathogens at source, but two, you’re improving the amount of proteins and healthy fats, you can actually break down and absorb, assimilate, so you’ve got the fuel to deal with it.

So digestive enzymes, number one. Number two for me would probably be a probiotics, simply because it continues with the digestive theme. One’s kind of from here to small intestine, the other’s from larger intestine to the bottom. Helping you ferment all the bacteria, good bacteria protecting you.

What else? Well, you know, there’s then that group of things which are really easy, like apple cider vinegar, all these things which protects you from ticks and [inaudible] once again support your immune system, but I think my last one, which I appreciate is a little bit expensive, but we’ve given you a discount code to try and make it more affordable. Is the CBD oil that’s just seems like the number one anti inflammatory.

Mark:             Now people in the Facebook group have already said they’ve seen results, great results. Dogs at the age of 13 being able to run again, which is brilliant. I mean at the end of the day, that’s the outcome we want.

So there’s some quick wins and it’s the 80/20 rule. Twenty percent of the things we’re going to recommend are going to do 80 percent of what it needs to do. There’s other things you can do. But I think those things that you’ve described, there are definite limits.

So do you want to just list them off again? So they got — digestive enzymes, probiotics, a bit of neem, a bit of CBD oil.

Rowan:          Yeah.

Mark:             And that’s really the four things. And apple cider vinegar.

Rowan:          Yeah. Apple cider vinegar, some neem. I mean there’s loads of cool, funky things. Maybe we should have a quick delve into the funky things as well. But you know, like going back to supplements. Supplements should support the other big four. So diet, rest, exercise, and stress reduction.

Mark:             And if you do have a dog that’s slightly older. Or any health change up, we’re just brought out the new enriched range, the whole lot of the other stuff in there already, which is really cool for dogs.

Rowan:          I believe that myself and Allison Frost are going to be trying that.

Mark:             Beautiful.

Rowan:          Allison said she would eat it if I would and I’m definitely in for it. Sounds delicious.

Mark:             [laughs] A bit of bone in there. Bit of raw.

Rowan:          Yeah. I might make a pate’ out of it. Or a “pate.” [laughs]

Mark:             Of course. Of course you’re joking. Don’t take it seriously. We wouldn’t recommend eating raw dog food.

Rowan:          I’m just going to take a lot of berberine and digestive enzymes. I’ll be fine.

Mark:             Yeah, you’d be good.

Excellent.

Rowan:          Right. OK. Roger dodger. So we’ve covered diet, rest, exercise, appropriate levels thereof. We touched on the HIIT. High intensity interval exercises. Stress reduction covering the four main areas. Supplements. The big five that we would go to. That can change. That’s just like a broad thing, you know. If you got something specific you can help it with something else, but if you’re keeping pathogens out, improving its ability to digest and keeping inflammation at bay, you’ve pretty much picked up nearly everything.

Mark:             Brilliant. So that’s it. That’s our top hacks for doggies.

Rowan:          OK Mark. Well, I think we’ve pretty much covered everything. We’ve covered our big five health safari for dogs.

It’s been a joy to see you. Nice to see you not in kibble clink, and looking as well in zen as you are.

Mark:             Yes. Thank you very much. And enjoy your trip. You’re on a little bit of a trip, but we’ll no doubt talk about that in the next podcast.

Rowan:          Oh yes. And I’m about to post actually. You can find out people’s top travel tips for dogs. Mine’s going, we are subduing her with CBD, — but we’ll talk at another time.

Mark:             Excellent. You have a fabulous trip.

Rowan:          Thanks Mark. Always great to see you.

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