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Podcast 03 – Difference Between Food Intolerance and Allergies and Anal Glands

On Podcast number 3, we cover the exciting world of anal glands and also the difference between intolerances and food allergies. So, excuse the deep-reading I was trying to make and it didn’t quite work. So, I sought out for the next blog. This is me and Rowan covering of those topics which were brought up in the Facebook group.

Mark: Hi! Welcome to Bella & Duke. This is podcast number 3 with Rowan over there and I am Mark. Hello Rowan.

Rowan: Hello Mark! Very good afternoon. How are you doing?

Mark: I’m doing very good. Just come back from the new distribution center. It’s been a really good week and it’s good to see all the different types of proteins we’ve got going out there. An average got now about seven to eight different proteins consistently going out there.

Rowan: So, remind me which ones do we have rolling live at present?

Mark: Okay. Now you tested me. So, we’ve got chicken, turkey, we’ve got duck, we’ve got beef, we’ve got lamb, we’ve got tripe and we’ve got a guest appearance of salmon, how many is that? Have I cover them all?

Rowan: Chicken, turkey, lamb, beef, duck, guest appearance of salmon and isn’t there a haddock one as well?

Mark: Oh, yeah! White fish and one other one which I think beef or lamb or whatever.

Rowan: And, you know, I’m really glad I asked you this. Because I know we’ve got plenty to talk about. But this is exactly what I want to drill down on in some format a little bit later on.

Mark: Okay. Brilliant. Well, one of the topical questions was two that we want to cover but the first one I really want to go through is what’s the difference between food and intolerance and a food allergy?

Rowan: Right. Okay. There’s a so much mumbo-jumbo out on the web about this that actually it’s very confusing for everyone. And I think what happened was, I think there was probably somebody who sounded very good, very credible, a couple years ago who wrote something up about it and then every single website has copied it without ever [inaudible, 02:33]. So, what we’ve got…

Mark: It sounds like newspapers.

Rowan: Sounds like fake news.

Mark: Yeah.

Rowan: Right. So, the point is really the easiest way to look at it is that an intolerance is a subset of allergies. What it goes like, some people will write something very convincing on a site saying one’s an autoimmune response, the other isn’t. Actually, no! A food intolerance can involve an autoimmune response. What it comes down to is the type of immunoglobulin, easy for some people to say, less so for me, the type of immunoglobulin that is released by the body whether it’s IGE or IGG or IG4. Now, we don’t need to go into that level of detail. What matters from our perspective really is does your dog have an intolerance or an allergy or whichever, or he is having problems with food and if so how are we going to get it better?

Mark: So, our food is hypoallergenic, that’s the word I enjoy saying as well. So, being a hypoallergenic, it won’t cause these problems. But is it enough to solve these problems?

Rowan: And this is another really good question actually. So, let’s just qualify what hypoallergenic is. Hypoallergenic is… That reminds me of a brilliant story my sister told me about the Queen meeting somebody at the Royal Variety Performance and their mobile went off and she looked at them and she said you’ll pick it out there. It might be something important.

Mark: Yeah. Note to self. Do not this to…

Rowan: Right. So, hypo-allergenic, what does that mean? It just means that it’s the type of food which is less likely to create an allergy style response than other foods. So, you have hyper-allergenic foods and they are for instance wheat because that creates an intolerance in everybody and can create an autoimmune response. Dairy is a classic one in humans and in dogs because they’re real trouble digesting it. Unfortunately, it pains me to say this, eggs they’re right up there on the spectrum lots of people have problems with eggs.

Mark: Okay. Interesting! And that’s not because you’ve had too many of them.

Rowan: That’s part of it and I’ll explain that later, but basically the white of the egg, I think I’ve tested two people in the last three years. For instance, and who have not had some form of food intolerance to egg white.

Mark: Okay. Egg white, interesting!

Rowan: Yeah. Eat egg white every time. If you think about it, it’s a quite an aggressive protein designed to protect the egg. So, it’s… Yeah, anyway! I’m keen not to get too sidetracked other than to say, hypoallergenic is simply a food which is with a lower risk of creating an allergy response than normal. But the reality once again, there’s not even a baseline what’s normal for allergies.

Mark: Hmm. So, doing it with something like a bone broth if we know they have some sort of a certainly help leaky gut etc. I’m assuming that’s the way to tackle.

Rowan: Okay. Well, we’re jumping a little bit ahead here and I’ll tell you why. Firstly, we kind of need to work out what the intolerance is. Now, lots of people, where does this conversation start? It starts because we’ve a couple of questions recently say, is your food hypoallergenic and will it heal my dog’s food intolerances? So, the answer to that is, our food is in my humble opinion probably the most hypoallergenic food on the market and that is because we’ve been super assiduous and we’ve gone through and we’ve stripped out everything which creates issues, everything which creates intolerances in dogs. However, will that actually help the dog? Yes. Will it heal intestinal permeability? Yes. Will it stop the the dog being intolerant to certain foods? Not if that dog is still getting exposed to it! So, say for instance, the dog has been eating a kibble diet and it’s been exposed to chemicals and some other things and it’s got intestinal permeability and it’s developed this food allergy and its body is recognizing, oh! Your dogs just appeared in the background. So, the dog’s immune system recognizes this food as an invader and it mounts an immunoglobulin response to this food. Now, even though our foods hypoallergenic, if for instance, it’s beef and it keeps having beef meals, it will still have that food intolerance. The key is to extracting that particular protein from the dog’s diet for a minimum of 21 days. So, that it’s immune system calms down and then you can reintroduce it.

Mark: Okay. That’s interesting! That’s a very good point. So, removing it but not forever, but removing it for three weeks, 21 days, slowly introduce it.

 Rowan: Yeah. Because if you think about it, basically if your dog’s immune system is on red alert and basically it’s rolling out like a bunch of ninjas every time he sees this food molecule coming in to the dog and it’s going, oh! Right attack! What you want to do is allow those ninjas forget that this is an invader. So, they can start seeing it again as a food. Now, in the absence of kibble and whilst eating a hypoallergenic diet, the dogs gut will heal. So, these molecules aren’t gonna go straight into the bloodstream anymore. They can be digested.

Mark: Gotcha. So, that then would mean if a dog has an intolerance or an allergy, it comes and appears maybe in the skin, and again you can correct me if I’m wrong, it’s because that’s when the biggest organs on the body and it’s trying to get rid of the toxins or the reactions to it and it shows up on the skin?

Rowan: That can be part of it. The skin is the biggest visible organ, yes! But my surface area, the gut, the intestinal tract is actually longer and the lungs I think are huge.

Mark: So, but the obvious results will be showing on the skin and what we’re saying is it could be affecting the other parts of the body but it’s just not obvious.

Rowan: Yeah. I mean quite often, it’s really good to get these kind of skin indications. Because they’re just showing you what’s happening on the inside.

Mark: Interesting. Interesting. And I know whenever I relate this back to myself, you have a laugh! So, back to my gluten days, I used to wake up in the morning with really snotty nose and that’s all gone. Like, I literally, I don’t have that difficulty breathing again. And as human, that was some sort of intolerance that I had. And once you got rid of that intolerance, I can breathe.

Rowan: Well, the intolerance to gluten will probably still be there. Why? Because gluten is an irritant whether or not it creates an autoimmune reaction. So, people say celiac disease is an intolerance and I’m really keen to avoid kind of getting into that too much of the science on this. Because I just want to help people solve it. But in your instance, basically what that’s doing? Whenever you eat something and suddenly you start producing lots of mucus, it’s because your body is trying to wrap up those particles and that’s your immune response. So, for instance, if you get a cold what happens?

Mark: I get a runny nose.

Rowan: Why? Because all of that mucus has been released to trap the virus or the bacteria.

Mark: So, that’s really an interesting question. I know it moves off a little bit but dogs that have very short snouts then, they really want to avoid mucus, because they struggle breathing it in the first place never mind have an extra mucus to deal with.

Rowan: Well, that is a really really good point and one that hadn’t occurred to me. But dogs with shorter snouts are definitely going to be more prone to inflammation or rather more sensitive to it. Because they’ve got less of a surface area to deal with all those kind of particle invaders.

Mark: No, that’s a whole another podcast we’re going to. So, I think we’ve covered that off. So, the next question which comes up probably once twice a week and I think it’s worth is going into it a little bit of depth is that the good older anal gland.

Rowan: Before we rush to the anus, before we run to uranus, there’s a point in this is that somebody did suggest to me, was okay, well, if my dog is intolerant to X, I’ll just stick with one protein, so that I know they can avoid it.

Mark: Yep. See that a lot.

Rowan: Now that is entirely the wrong thing to do. And I’ll explain why. Because if you imagine your dog’s got an intolerance, it can only have an intolerance if it’s got leaky gut. So, if it’s got leaky gut and then suddenly only starts eating one other thing. Well, it’s just going to develop an intolerance to that. So, you say, oh! I’m keeping it off beef. I’m just giving you a chicken. Well, it gets intolerant to chicken and if you bring the beef back quicker than you should, well, it becomes intolerant to both.

Mark: We see that.

Rowan: So, the easiest way to do it is employ something called rotation diet which I’m going to explain in the blog post this week and get your dog eating the same thing on four day cycles. Three to four day cycles. So, you want as many different of these protein meals as you can get. Excluding the one you know or believe it’s intolerant to. And the easiest way to find out what its intolerant to is think about what it’s been eating for the last year when these symptoms developed? What it was eating at the time? And typically most people buy the same food all the time. So, if it’s being kibble with duck, exclude the duck meal and cycle the other six meals for the 21 days. Not only will you minimize the likelihood of the dog actually getting another intolerance, you’ll speed up the healing of its gut and then you’ll be able in theory to reintroduce the the meal.

Mark: That’s brilliant. That’s brilliant. Brilliant.

Rowan: Okay.

Mark: Right. Anus.

Rowan: I knew you wanted to get to that. That is going to be the next blog which comes out this weekend. There are quite a lot, I’m really surprised actually about this. Just how many dogs are suffering with this. And the there’s been some really good comments on the forum and in fact Caroline has put some the behaviorist. She’s made some really good points which I enjoyed reading in there.

Mark: Caroline Spencer. Yes.

Rowan: Yes. So, Caroline’s putting some great comments. What I’m going to do for the blog this weekend is clay exactly what to do and what not to do and the best of those comments. So, people don’t need to read through a massive thread. But the bottom line is and sorry that was terrible.

Mark: I didn’t say nothing.

Rowan: Yeah. I’m really sorry. I said that I was like, oh no! Is raw has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Mark: Say that again.

Rowan: Raw has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Mark: Okay.

Rowan: So, if somebody’s out there banging on, saying, I’ve seen this a lot with people, that is utter twattle. That is absolute twattle and it annoys me on a couple of points. You see, I’ve developed an intolerance and needs to not. I’ve developed an intolerance for sure. Right. There’s nothing to do with it. And this upsets me on two fronts, three fronts Mark. One is, if you don’t see the help of a medical professional and the happy to blame something that they don’t understand, one it means they’ve stopped investigating for the actual cause. So, oh ya! No aids to that. To do is if they’re a medical professional why don’t they understand about raw.

Mark: Absolutely. I mean that’s the 64 million dollar question. Isn’t it?

Rowan: We know it’s not a surprise. You know, how fast are we growing? I mean you know you’ve got articles in the mail, the Telegraph in which everybody talking about raw. On what planet do you need to be hiding to not realize that raw is the way forward. People are having all these success stories. So, just because you don’t understand something or you’ve not done it at school is no excuse for not going away and finding out some more information.

Mark: Absolutely.

 Rowan: But owners please be reassured that basically you are doing the right thing by feeding your dog raw. It might be that they just need a little bit of extra support whether that’s digestive enzymes, whether that’s a little bit of extra fiber, whether that’s ensuring the getting adequate water, just improving motility, all of these things going to be put together and presented in the next vlog this week.

Mark: Okay. Brilliant. So, just to round that off then. My understanding is with raw is it produces quite firm stools. And that helps it’s not getting into the gland because it’s coming out the place it’s meant to come out, in a nutshell. Well, not in a nutshell but…

Rowan: I think the debate that people were, and once again, there is no definitive answer other than clinical correlation because anal gland expressed or not expressed has not been researched. But it seems to be that dogs on a very low fiber diet or with lots of inflammation get problems with their anal glands. Now, the easiest way to think about it is humans with the least healthy diet get haemorrhoids.

Mark: Yep, I know what those are. No, I haven’t got them.

Rowan: You look almost like less guilty when you say that. It’s not a guilt thing.

Mark: No. I’m not sitting on a ring.

Rowan: So, the point is if you increase fiber in the diet and lower inflammation, once again our friendly information, then you far less likely of developing this. Raw lowers inflammation. If the dog’s got a food intolerance, to whatever it is, you need to deal with that. But adding in fiber and water and a couple of other things like digestive enzymes, great! I think we’ve lost your attention.

Mark: No. No. That’s great!

Rowan: Somebody is texting you.

Mark: No. Not at all. I was just conscious of the time. No, that’s cool. So, that’s and you’ve got the blog post coming out this weekend for that. Just want to be more detail on your blog post.

Rowan: Yeah, absolutely and with this I’ve had some really positive feedback in the last couple of articles saying that people have enjoyed them and it’s really accessible. So, please do please me if at any point it becomes less accessible. My point is I’m writing this not because I want to be the professor of anal glands. I would write this because I actually genuinely want to help dogs. So, if it’s less accessible, needs to be more accessible or whichever just give us your feedback.

Mark: That’s great!

Rowan: It’s all about helping the dogs.

Mark: Absolutely! So, as always if you haven’t joined our Facebook group, please do it. It is a closed group and lots of experienced feeders and other individuals on there helping each other out and obviously join our Facebook page as well.

Rowan: Well, it’s a very open-minded group Mark. But it’s closed to the world.

Mark: It is a progressive group. Closed.

Rowan: I like it.

Mark: Yes.

Rowan: I think you’ve been to a few parties in your estate.

Mark: Anyway. On that note. We will love you in leave you until the next time.

Rowan: Awesome! Mark, thanks for your time. It’s lovely to see your awesome face.

Mark: You too. Take care. Yes. Bye!


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