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Podcast 02 – Dogs Why It’s Important To Have Variety

Rowan: We are recording Mark.

Mark: We are. This is a podcast number 2.

Rowan: Welcome, welcome, welcome.

Mark: So, I’m Mark. This is Rowan and really our podcast has focused much very much on dogs and the love of dogs. So, a couple of things just to roll off with the new side of things, exciting things that are happening with Bella and Jukka. We’ve just open our new distribution center in Perth this week. A few little challenges and learning Lots very quickly. But we now got DPD which I know a lot of our customers have wanted which has unbelievable tracking systems in it right down to the hour. So, we know exactly where your food is or isn’t. Also, what’s interesting when I want to get your take on this I’ve actually been in there packing the boxes myself with the guys.

Rowan: So realistically we’ve got two things going on okay. That are worth discussing in this arena, in this dog bowl. See what I did that. It’s firstly food in tolerances and secondly our nutrient variety. So, there are a lot of people who rightly So, have concerns that if you feed the dog or a dog the same thing all the time they can develop a food intolerance to it. Now if the dog was eating kibble and or was getting any other kind of intestinal permeability you know whether it’s through chemicals exposures, stresses or whichever. And they were constantly eating the same food that would definitely happen because these protein molecules go on digested. Because the dog’s digestion is compromised and it goes straight into the bloodstream and then the dog’s immune system goes whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, just you won’t slow down here, you’re not part of this dog. And So, it starts attacking the food as if it was a virus and then the dog develops a food intolerance and it creates information and then they can gastritis. Do you see out it that dog? So, that’s to be avoided. Now the thing is feeding a dog either barf diet and be that bellum duke meal or one of the more primal diet that likelihood of getting intestinal permeability is practically reduced. But that doesn’t mean you dog can’t have it because intestinal permeability as said isn’t solely driven by food. It can be driven by other factors. So, the point is it’s a lot better to rotate proteins to avoid food intolerance is developing albeit. There are a lot less likely on the Barfs diet.  So, that’s point one. The second part of this is just a variety of nutrients. You know Duke has a 50-different protein quality.  For instance, some fish, it might have different levels of minerals in it, it might have different fat profiles because the dogs are eating different food to the fish. So, the reality is variety is key. It’s absolutely key. And also avoids developing a dog which will only eat one specific meal which just you’re missing out on a whole smorgasbord of nutrients. If you diet isn’t quite rich in variety.

Mark: I mean that’s one of the things we see massively. Isn’t it with processed dog food because a lot of… I know in the past I used to buy the big 22 kilo bags of the same flavor. So, I never or very rarely changed the flavor of the kibble and I just got the big bags over my shoulder at the supermarket, get at home I didn’t have to think about it for a couple of weeks.  I’m gonna do that with the kids necks as. But the Walkers crisps they have variety of filling vitamins.

Rowan: Packs of monster munch I used to love those.

Mark: So, fish and tripe in your opinion I think they’re very critical proteins that should be in dog’s diet.

Rowan: They are but I’m a huge fan of both. But I’m often wary of saying and this goes back to the variety thing. And where are you saying the dog got to have this it’s then some people just push one particular protein. So, try its awesome entrails full stop or awesome. Open absolutely awesome. Yes, I mean one of the most nutrient-dense foods on the planet.

Mark: Okay. My grandmother used to eat fish heads years ago.

Rowan: There’s a whole host.

Mark: And she was 86. Yeah, but despite that.

Rowan: So, one of the questions that came in they’re really, really good but anyway lets.

Mark: So, one of the questions that came up in the Facebook group was about broccoli and about cooking broccoli and how much broccoli to give to a medium dog.

Rowan: Go straight on or back on to the variety. Now one very conscientious and clearly caring owner reached out to me about the broccoli thing. Now I love this and I love the fact that people who care for the dogs are steaming and chopping up broccoli for their dogs. Absolutely fabulous. The question they asked me specifically was how much should a small medium dog be having daily? And my answer is and I mean obviously I have replied to this. We have absolutely no idea. There is zero studies done into this. You know at best it’s a guesstimate. We have no ideas and the reason is one there’s no research and two is every dog is a bit different. It depends where they are in their health journey, it depends upon thyroid issues which something we need to talk about in a little moment. We’ll bookmark that. It depends how much exercise the getting etc. Now what don’t need and actually Dr. Becker talks about this. And I think she’s really good, she did a very good a very good article on this on this. Is that dogs don’t need vegetables. But that dogs survive and thrive better on vegetables. So, you can feed a dog essentially a meat only, fully ketogenic diet.  But what we’ve seen is that dogs who are getting vegetables and some fruits in their diet because it’s high in antioxidants, it’s offering a layer of cell protection that they wouldn’t normally get. So, that’s the first point which is why we put it in our meals which is why well we want dogs to live longer and have healthier lives fat. So, we don’t know how much they should be eating because actually it’s an add-on, it’s just a bonus, there’s no research. What two things really when you’re feeding your dog vegetables. One is vegetables can negatively affect the thyroid when the raw if they’re given too much. Now broccoli is mildly what they would call ketogenic. It can create goiter, it can attach and prevent upload of other minerals. Spinach very much so. So, all of these things moderation, all varieties key. So, if you gain carrot in there, you’re getting some broccoli, you’ve got some asparagus, you’ve got some whichever which is why we’re moving towards the seasonal veg one because it’s fresher, two because it’s higher in nutrients, three because it’s creating variety for the dogs. So, we’re going back to the same thing as the protein. Variety is key because you’re maximizing the amount of nutrients you’re getting exposed to. You minimizing the likelihood of food intolerances and you also minimizing getting too much of one particular nutrient at the expense of something else.

Mark: So, I think what would be a useful on the back of this then is if we created a little list of vegetables that are suitable for people if we wanted to do a little bit extra that they could mix up through the week in steam.

Rowan: Yeah, absolutely.

Mark: You know there’s some vegetables you don’t want to add. Isn’t there I mean there’s somethings we don’t want in there.  Onions for example.

Rowan: Yeah onions and garlic both top set to dogs. Chocolate.

Mark: Yeah, those fields of chocolate vegetables. So, well the thing about garlic funny enough a lot of people talk about garlic being great for ticks etc. So, I guess this moderation.

Rowan: Yeah it is. It’s a mild amount of garlic. And actually, I use garlic or the Allison component in garlic on some of my human patients when we’re treating them for various parasites or bacteria. Yeah and its very good antiviral, antibacterial and but even in humans if you’re having a lot of the concentrated Allison it can create some side-effects and actually damage the guts if you have too much of it. So, dogs, it is toxic in large amount. We should really circle around with Wendy. And just find out what levels are preventative and at which point garlic becomes actually quite toxic.

Mark: Okay and there I guess the final thing we want to check about was a little bit about the oils.

Rowan: Will this segue perfectly. I mean this is really good. I like what we’ve done there. We’ve gone from protein variety to vegetable variety to oils. What we are developing and he’s going to be coming out very soon, is some spray on and rub on oils for the dogs containing essential oils which will act as a natural repellent to ticks and other things and also help prevent worms. What one thing I have noticed there is a little bit of chat in the forum about this and having spoken to a couple of vets on this. Some of the chemicals which are getting pumped into dogs or of scare tactics you know have this really evil injection once every three months or your dog’s gonna have a worm the size of an anaconda, ticks everywhere. And obviously you’ve been in Scotland a lot of ticks.

Mark: Absolutely I mean per share where we are. It’s there if you were to pick you know color codes Britain we read here absolutely turns.

Rowan: I wanted map exists. There is a tick there is a tick map. Who counts them. So, I envisage, I finalized the formula within the next week and it’s a question of your sourcing the ingredients. So, we could safely say that it could be out in the next four weeks.

Mark: Okay you said that not me, just let’s take. Cool well that’s great.  I think that’s a like a catch up. So, I think next week we’ve got a few ideas we want to discuss which you couldn’t get into this week. When your favorite topics is anal glands So, we’ll cover that next week and also any more questions from the Facebook group would be taken now. And hopefully answering some of them next week as well. So, it’s been brilliant at again people’s feedback.

Rowan: Yeah and the blog post which will be going out tomorrow is going to be covering the dogs doing this dry retching and also quantities how much they’re eating when they move on to this barf diet. Because a lot of people have got questions about that and see that seems to be coming up. So, that’s the blog post which would be coming out tomorrow. I also do a little video for that.

So, in summary, variety is King, try and get your dog to eat a broader range of protein and vegetables as possible. We’ll put together a list, you’re going to put out a tick map, we’re going to get some essential oils. This is incredible, this is awesome. And one thing I did want to share actually if we have time is in consideration of variety. What I’m experimenting with is using some different facts in the Ballentine meals. For instance, putting a little bit of like a tablespoon of olive oil on top of it, and changing that with some coconut oil or maybe a little bit extra krill oil or whichever.

Mark: So just to be that clear we do that you’re doing that you personally not. We’re not including that in there in the meals.

Rowan: Yeah exactly I’m doing that on top. I’ve got obviously very hungry growing poppy and as part of that brain development rather than just maintenance I’m looking at…

Mark: Okay So, I think that whole oil is again another topic we can get on.

Rowan: And it’s been that’s really exciting. I’ve got some exciting news from this week for you which we can talk about.

Mark: Yes, brilliant well thanks for that.

Rowan: Okay thank you with your headphones on.

Mark: No thank you very much. Yes, thank you.

Rowan: It’s my pleasure

 

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