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Podcast 24 – Brain Foods For Dogs!

Welcome to Podcast 24! 😊 On this episode, Mark and Rowan discuss the top brain foods for both you and your dog and how a poor diet will not only compromise your physical health but also your mental health! Join the conversation on Instagram and Twitter @BellaAndDuke and make sure to join our growing Facebook community! –…

0:00 Intro 0:20 Welcome! 1:36 Where is mark?! 2:36 Jim Kwik and Speed Reading 5:16 Top Ten Foods for Memory (for you!) 7:30 Down regulating inflammation/Avoiding Toxins/Providing building blocks for neurogenesis 10:36 Adding egg to ‘Enriched’ 13:51 How would this help when feeding a dog? 16:17 Rowans Recap! 17:58 Pic n mix and the ball pool! (Surprisingly not good for learning) 18:26 The Problem with some Cat Foods 21:02 How can we save dogs before it’s too late? 25:21 B&D Digestive Enzymes 25:47 Thank you and good bye!

Rowan:          Mark Scott, welcome. As I live and breathe, look at that face. You’re looking very relaxed and very intelligent. Something to do with where you are. But before we jump into that, shall we tell people about what we’re going to talk about this week?

Mark:             Yes. Brain food, brain food for your dog.

Rowan:          And how is that relevant, do we think?

Mark:             Well, I think with the new range, just about, we were going to put out there — I was at a meeting this week and the topic this week was all about the food and nutrition to help your brain. And I realized…

Rowan:          So if we were just saying how this is relevant to dogs, I guess that’s going to help elderly docs, and prevent cognitive decline. And it’s also, I’m guessing, going to help new dogs learn new tricks.

Mark:             Absolutely. And old.

Rowan:          And old dogs learn new tricks. Awesome. So, Mark tell us, it looks like you’ve been kidnapped by the kibble clan. Do you need me to come rescue you? Can you tell me which way the sun comes up? Have you got any details?

Mark:             I know the sun goes down for about three hours of the day, as my AirBnB has no curtains. [laughs]

Rowan:          “I’m not bitter.”

Mark:             “Not at all.”

Rowan:          So tell me where are you, where do we find you this week?

Mark:             I’m on the Baltic coast, and I’m in Tallinn, which is intelligent, which is the capital of Estonia one of the Baltic states.

Rowan:          Nice, Nice. And it’s meant to be stunning, isn’t it?

Mark:             It is. It’s like a fairytale. It really is. You go through and it’s just magical, magical. And I’m here spending a week at the Mindvalley University, learning off all these great minds and things going on. All the latest research. It’s brilliant.

Rowan:          Do you know — I wish you well. I think these things are awesome, but it would be unjust of me to not acknowledge that there’s a slight twinge of envy that I’m not there with you all, because, wow, the people who were there and the people who set out are all kind of heroes of mine. I think their fabulous. I love what they do.

In terms of “mind” stuff — we’ve talked about it being how it’s relevant to dogs. What kind of tips have you taken? And who have you taken them from?

Mark:             Well, there’s a guy called Jim Kwik. He’s a memory master. He trains other famous people. Last week he was with Will Smith. Week before he was with Elon Musk. He’s that kind of level.

Rowan:          Nice.

Mark:             And he’s been helping with the memory and also things like speed reading. So speed reading for example, I’m really not that great at, as just a little side note.

Rowan:          What is speed reading?

Mark:             So speed reading is basically to be able to — you should be able to get through a book a day. That’s the sort of speed reading we’re talking about here.

Rowan:          Oh, that is so cool.

Mark:             And I don’t know about you, but if I read, I tend to get really tired. And that’s because, from school I was never taught how to internally read. I was taught how to speak out loud and read, which I was never very good at. But when you set to do it internally, no one actually said “you don’t need to read at this speed…” So that was the one thing that I really got picked up on from Jim Kwik, is how to speed read.

Rowan:          I’m intrigued on this. I appreciate nobody’s going to be teaching their dog to speed read. But look, if you’re super busy and you don’t have time to listen to a podcast, stop listening now. If you’re an interested person and you’re interesting in this — or you’re an interesting person and you’re interested in this, Mark, quickly speed rate, because I am absolutely agog. Share with me.

Mark:             So there’s a couple of tips. One is grouping the words together, like maybe a group of three words, and just look at those words and your brain will automatically recognize them. Don’t try and read them out. So that’s… Also your brain, your eyes, the way it works is they follow things. So if you were to not touch the paper but roll your finger across the speed like that, your eyes will keep up with you and you will absorb the words in. So that’s, just try that and just see how you get on.

Rowan:          Awesome. So just to recap, move, follow your finger because your eyes follow your finger and bunch it into words of three or maybe more.

Mark:             You can ignore the filler words, loads of words — in, out, but, yes, and — just ignore them. Just get on with it.

Rowan:          Zone them out.

Mark:             Yeah. And you’ll find that you’ll speed up. So there’s a little trick.

Rowan:          And you’re not meant to read them out.

Mark:             No.

Rowan:          In your head.

Mark:             In your head. No. Well, you know you’ve got this little voice and it should be your voice…

Rowan:          [laughs] — as opposed to the man behind the television telling you to do bad things.

Mark:             Yeah. [laughs]

Rowan:          Well that was an interesting sidebar. So what have you learned from Jim Kwik?

Mark:             He was talking about from a human point of view, the top 10 nutritional foods that you should eat to help your brain. And that’s, you know when you have one of those “aha” moments.

I’ll read all these out. I can actually do it from the way you taught me to remember it, but I’ve written that down just to shoot the speed. So number one’s avocado, number two’s blueberries, number three is broccoli, number four’s coconut oil, number five’s egg, number six, salmon, number seven is leafy greens, number eight is Turmeric, number nine is walnuts, and number ten is dark chocolate.

Rowan:          Interesting. Oh, this is interesting. I see a theme in this.

Mark:             I bet you do. I bet you do. So obviously there’s some here that you would never feed the dog. Dark chocolate, obviously bad. Never, never give your dog chocolate. And there’s a few other ones. Avocado, it’s a bit on the borderline, especially skin and the pit, definitely. But the rest of that. When I looked, I went… You know what…

Rowan:          That sounds like something we’re in the middle of doing.

Mark:             Correct. We’re just about to bring our new range which has actually arrived today, and will be available when our IT man updates the website. That’s our new enriched range. And certainly, my “aha” moment was — Rowan, I think we have a meal that’s perfect for helping dogs train.

Rowan:          This is super interesting on several different levels. I am agog. I am really excited about this. I’m really excited about the new food coming out, because, you know, we’ve talked about it a lot and there’s been a lot of love gone into that. Lot of love and attention.

Mark:             There’s two aspects really, isn’t it? And I know, because we’ve spoken about this in the past on different podcasts. You got the nutrition, but also, what happens to the brain when you eat something really isn’t good for you?

Rowan:          Well, I think there’s three parts to this market.

So if we look at it, we’ve got foods which actually facilitate healthy brain function. That’s all of them. If we look at it generically, like those top 10 foods, all right, a couple of them aren’t applicable to dogs, the avocado and the dark chocolate. Bookmarking it. The rest, we kind of kind of got in there.

There’s three elements. There’s one, down-regulating inflammation. There’s two, avoiding toxins, which if you’re only feeding this food, then you are doing. And there’s three, providing the building blocks of positive neural growth, also known as neurogenesis. So the toxing thing is almost on aside side. If we imagine kibble jail where you are, lots of dogs that get caught in kibble jail. The problem is not only do their brains get inflamed by it, but they can’t function, because they’re impeded by toxins which stop parts of the brain speaking to each other properly.

Mark:             OK. Interesting.

Rowan:          If you think of like heavy metals, super toxic. If you were to get a load of rugby players and ask them to work together and you filled them full of toxins, are they going to work better together or worse?

Mark:             Worse.

Rowan:          So it’s exactly the same with brain cells. Basically they can’t work as a team or communicate if they’re awash with toxins.

Mark:             It’s like a barrier between them.

Rowan:          Well, it just impedes normal communication and quite often the body has a priority scale, so if it’s got toxins it knows that it needs to get those out before it can do anything else.

Mark:             Oh, OK. So it’s almost say I’m looking to communicate until I get rid of these toxins and it can never get rid of toxins because you’re feeding the same stuff.

Rowan:          Yeah, kind of. There’s part of that and there’s part which just blocks the signaling transmission. And then the other part is if you’re eating foods which are, even if they’re not toxic, they’re inflammatory, then obviously, you know, if you tried to pick something up with a swollen hand, it’s not going to work as well as if the hand’s not swollen. Now, the brain is a muscle, per se, but anything with swelling doesn’t work. Well, we can think of an obvious exception, but let’s not go there — maybe cut that out.

So basically, by down-regulating inflammation such as turmeric, because it’s got the curcumin extract in, that’s going to allow the brain to speak to each other. And the other thing I noticed… Go on, sorry, Mark, you were going to say, and I’m just rambling on.

Mark:             I was going to say we actually add a bit of pepper in there as well, don’t we. Because that, three times it, or four times absorbs the turmeric even better.

Rowan:          Well that’s been the problem with turmeric, is that it’s not that bio-available. It’s a bit like, shall we say, the flaxseed Omega three chat that we keep having. You know, you can have a lot of flax seed, but you can get very little Omega three from it, or very little usable Omega three. You can eat as much Turmeric as you like, but it’s that bio-available. And black pepper helps you get the essential extract, curcumin, out of that.

Mark:             That’s brilliant. We don’t have egg, but that’s because we decided not to, but how easy is that egg, and do you add the whole egg in? Or just add the yolk?

Rowan:          Right. For me, I’ve got a theory going on about the egg white serves two purposes. And that is, one, to nourish the yolk, but two, to keep the bacteria out.

Mark:             That’s your third one.

Rowan:          Oh.. So, personally, I know a few people have talked about this in the functional medicine world. You know, like, for instance, Rocky used to add in raw eggs into his shake. Doing that, if it’s got the egg white, stops you absorbing properly the egg yolk, which is where all the nutrition is.

Mark:             OK.

Rowan:          There’s an inflammatory protein in egg whites. So for instance, and it’s perfect timing again, I’ve put into Kismet’s food today a couple of raw egg yolks.

Mark:             Would you put the shell in or not?

Rowan:          I put a little bit of shell in. Why? Because egg yolk is super high in choline, which is really important for brain development.

Mark:             OK, brain development. So in a young dog, totally get that. Would that still be relevant for an older dog?

Rowan:          Totally. I mean, we have to be careful, because with it being runny, and another animal protein that’s ultimately uncooked, it can be quite allergenic. So if your dog’s got any food intolerances… And look, this is purely speculation based on what I’ve seen with humans. For instance, just to backpedal ever so slightly, Mark, I’ve tested X amount, or rather our clinic has had X amount of people tested over the last three years. I think I’ve seen three people who were not in some way intolerant to egg.

Mark:             Who are “not…” Wow.

Rowan:          Yeah.

Mark:             So it’s just that it’s the level where they’re at depends whether it shows its face or not.

Rowan:          Exactly. So eggs are very healthy, but only if you tolerate them or you’ve not generated a food intolerance. Same thing, dogs. They’re a great source of choline, but if your dog’s got like itchy skin, or is gnawing at itself a lot, or any of these things, I’d maybe look for other sources than, for instance, just a raw egg yolk.

Mark:             OK. But also if they have leaky gut, you’ve got to heal that first before you do anything.

Rowan:          Obviously. You can’t really have an intolerance without having leaky gut.

Mark:             OK. Cool. So we’ve covered off the nutritional part. So how would this then help training a dog?

Rowan:          This is really cool actually, and I’ve just been working with an actor who wants to learn his lines quicker and that the same time improve his body composition. By body composition, we mean build muscle and get rid of body fat. So what we’re looking at is a couple of things. One, avoid toxins. Two, down-regulate inflammation. Three, provide all the building blocks. Is this sounding familiar?

Mark:             Very, very, very.

Rowan:          I’ve put him on the Bella and Duke Enriched Range. [laughs]

Mark:             [laughs]

Rowan:          He’s called Fido. Dido’s brother. So basically… Um, where are we going on that? If you’re giving all the underlying building blocks for neurogenesis, which is basically creating new brain cells, and growing new connections between those brain cells, two slightly different things — if you’ve got all the building blocks in place and there’s no inflammation and no toxins, then you’re going to learn a lot, lot quicker than if there were. To take a really base thing. Imagine trying to teach somebody a new language on a stag doo!

Mark:             [laughs] Yeah, exactly.

Rowan:          They’re full of toxins.

Mark:             “Thank you very much. And what do I get for five bucks again?”

Rowan:          Yeah. “Can I have the Kabob and the chips to take away, and the can of pop.” If you’re teaching somebody a new language, they’re on a stack-do, they’re full of toxins, the totally inflamed and they don’t have the building blocks. Alright. You get that person three weeks later when their fully recovered and they’re chilled out and you give them some really good nutrition and shower and loads of sleep, you’re looking at two different humans.

For instance — and we have to be careful because obviously your currently in kibble clink, or kibble prison, whichever we want to call it — it actually looks the color like it’s made out of kibble.

Mark:             Not on the other side when it comes out.

Rowan:         We have to be careful about not ramping up the ransom. So, I guess the point is if you’re giving all the underlying building blocks for your dog for it to make these new synaptic connections, how bits of the brain communicate with each other, then it’s a lot, lot easier for that dog to actually remember things, pick up on things, be more emotionally sensitive. You know how dogs are watching you and picking up on behaviors. If their brain is less inflamed and they are able to pick up on these things, well, it means for better behavior with the dog.

Mark:             Yeah, absolutely. So it makes total sense. I mean the end of the day, if you were to feed kids crisps every single day, they would not learn as well at school. They just wouldn’t. They wouldn’t get the nutrition. [inaudible][17:03] — dogs.

Rowan:          It’s inflammatory fats which have been ultra heat-treated just like kibble, damages DNA. So if you think also sugar… Now we’ve not seen the sugar, and I believe Caroline’s about to release a really cool blog article on this about dogs and learning and the rest. So this is perfect timing. But if you’ve seen those — and I think I posted it a while ago — those brain maps, those heat maps of what’s working when kids are given sugar. It’s exactly the same senses and area which is activated as if you’re giving a dog cocaine.

Mark:             Really.

Rowan:          Yeah, exactly. You’re pre-programming kids to respond very well to stimuli which don’t serve them. Now, are kids going to be learning after you’ve filled them full of, whatever, Pick and Mix, and put them in a [18:09] “bowl pool.”

Mark:             And how addictive is it?

Rowan:          It’s probably… It’s got to be one of the top five most addictive things on the planet, including narcotics.

Mark:             So when we talk about cuts, because we bring the cat range out soon, one of the things that Wendy, our wonderful vet said, that they get so addicted to the salts and sugars that they put in some of these canned food brands, it’s impossible to get them off because they are absolutely wired and addicted for that rush.

Rowan:          Well, this is really interesting. Because whilst this is only speculation, a few years ago there was a lot of chats about certain brands adding secretly and not putting it on the ingredient list, but putting a lot of salt to make it addictive to cats into the food. Now they weren’t putting this on the ingredient list, but then cats were getting a lot of kidney failure. Now, interestingly — and I think this ties in with something we were discussing before — is that since they’ve been caught out on that, what they’ve done is they’ve simply changed that, and they’re spraying a lot of kibbles for both cats and dogs with a mixture of fats and sugar. This is almost a bit like a fast food chain, very famous, making addictive burgers, right? People crave it. Why? Because they get this rush from it, because it’s satisfying the addictive urge. Now, with cats, that explains why a cat diabetes in the last five years in the UK has gone up nearly 1200 percent.

Mark:             That’s ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Rowan:          So let’s say nearly 12 times — it’s actually at 11 and 48 cents, so it’s closer to 11 — eleven to twelve times, incidences of cat diabetes in the UK.

Mark:             So this comes to my quest as always with Bella and Duke, and I know you’re on the same train, is how do we get this message out to people before it’s too late? Because most people come to us once they’ve tried everything. Itchy skin, they’ve tried it. Or their dog’s got cancer, like me. And I could sit here and have all the guilt under the sun, but you don’t know what you don’t know. So let’s get past that — oh, fed dogs kibble. Right? All this processed food, in our opinion, is the major cause for all these illnesses. Let’s just… Let’s just draw the line in the sand. Let’s go, this is where we stand, we are massive [inaudible][20:55]

What else explains the high issues? Question is, how do we get the message out there to people before it’s too late? Because quite often you don’t see a problem with a dog until it is too late.

Rowan:          Well, this is it. This is why… I totally agree with you. And frankly, it makes me super fucking angry. I mean like, it’s just beyond off the charts angering that people can do this for a commercial purpose, and then one they try and quash information or discredit information that we’re putting out, saying — hey, well you don’t have any studies. We don’t need it. Frankly, we don’t need it. Why? Well, one, cats and dogs evolved and lived very happily and very healthily until you intervened — i.e. with kibble. Their health is going down. So clearly something is not working. They are recovering on this kind of diet. End of. Yeah, we’ll get studies as and when they come out. But I’m certainly not going to wait for 10 years endangering Kizmet’s health just to corroborate exactly what we already know intuitively is correct and we’re seeing clinical evidence thereof. And Angry Rowan has left the room.

Mark:             How many companies of brands do you know of brands or products that you know are brilliant, but just aren’t out there on the masses, because the poorer products get all the marketing, the great products don’t.

Rowan:          There’s a combination of that. There’s one, because when not ridiculously priced, we’re not as commercially lucrative as the bigger brands who are prepared to cut corners on ingredients.

Mark:             So people do say to me, is, oh, we’re expensive. Expensive compared to what? Is my question.

Rowan:          Yeah. Exactly. But you know, I mean we have to be careful of not sounding like we’re talking our own game here. This is absolutely a podcast, not us in the pub having a…

Mark:             No, but I mean, when you’re competing against kibble, it’s costing you 22 pence a day. Of course were expensive compared to that.

Rowan:          Yeah. And if you want to feed your kids dust, you can do that a lot cheaper than actually giving them Broccoli.

Mark:             So, but that’s my point. Is, with the reason we do these podcasts and the reason we put this free information out there is because we want to educate. It’s certainly dawned to me about the whole reasons that some dogs struggle to learn. Well first, just look at what you’re feeding them. Just look at that and you go realize the brain food — for humans, a slightly different species — but how we work is [unintelligible][23:29]

Rowan:          Yes. And let’s look at it. It’s not just about learning, it’s about preventing brain decline as we get older. Same story, humans, same story dogs.    And actually, this leads perfectly into a few questions this week. By the way, guys, one polite request is if you have questions, please, please put them on the Facebook group. If you’ve not already joined the Facebook group, please do it. Please put them on the Facebook group because if they’ve not already been asked before then it helps us all learn together, and then everybody learns at the same time.

Mark:             And if they have been asked before, it’s not a problem. I’ll answer them again. Because there’s always new people, and there’s always people within the group who have the answers.

Rowan:          Never a problem. But the point being, we all get to evolve and we evolve quicker if we see all of the questions, so put them on the group, join the group, put them on the group, help be a force for change and if you’ve got a question, so many people are experiencing the same thing, we actually learned a lot, lot quicker.

Mark:             Beautiful.

Rowan:          Like Jim Kwik.

Mark:             Like Jim Kwik. Real quick. I like what you did there.

Rowan:          You see? I’ve been listening.

Mark:             Oh, the other thing. Just reminded me of the oils, the herbs and all that stuff. Got the labels done. They are on their way. They’re going to be very, very soon. So you’ll be able to get them through your portal. Like the treats, we don’t just sell treats, we don’t sell oils and herbs. If you want them, you have to be a Bella and Duke pet member. So we’ll put them in your deliveries. And Enriched is going to be happening in the next week.

Rowan:          I am triple excited about that. And I guess the next thing is, just a little update for you, is I’m speaking with some people to have our own digestive enzymes and probiotics.

Mark:             That’s brilliant. So I know you’ve been working for a secret formula. You been getting your lab coat out and bubbling things up. Oooh, almost there. So that’s exciting.

Rowan:          Think Professor Mika in the Muppets. Or is it Beaker his assistant. Potato, “potato.”

Mark:             Animal. I’m Animal.

Rowan:          Oh yeah. Absolutely.

Mark:             Right Rowan. That’s brilliant. Well, thanks again for sharing your expertise, your knowledge, and your big words.

Rowan:          [laughs] Mark Scott. Superhero. Always a pleasure, mate. Absolutely, always a pleasure.

It’s been nice to do one of these. It’s been a while.

Mark:             It has.

Rowan:          What are we going to do next week?

Mark:             I’ll see who’s on this week and then get some more inspiration.

Rowan:          Right. Roger Dodger. So just to recap for everybody who’s been listening — brain food, help your dog learn new tricks, help old dogs learn new tricks, help prevent old dogs get too old. And one point I didn’t make on this, which is super important, Mark is brain health is reflective of total health. The brain does not exist — as we know — separate and distinct to the rest of the body. It’s fed with the same food that feeds the rest of the body. So if you are eating healthy food it’s healthy for your brain, generally.

Mark:             Absolutely. So your body showing inflammation, guess what’s happening in your brain?

Rowan:          Absolutely. And nobody wants to be inflamed in the membrane.

Mark:             [laughs]

Rowan:          Alright, see you again.

Mark:             Take care. Bye.

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